making progress on knotes' discussion system usability

22-November-2005

[ kind=progress report , development/knotes/discussion/features ]
We've been quietly making some progress towards upgrading the hard-to-use knotes discussion system into a 'kick-ass', clean but powerful discussion system. We're finally putting some of the pieces together in a testbed area within the National Guidance Research Forum site. Please have a look and tell us what you think.

Have a look at this new testbed in the NGRF site. It's where ourselves and the editorial team from the NGRF are going to be hammering hard at the discussion system issues over the next few days.

Welcome beta testers to a set of new weblogs for the NGRF. During late November 2005 we're using these weblogs to work out a new interface for discussion, and new looks for the weblogs. Please bear with us if you encounter problems using them.

National Guidance Research Forum - New NGRF Weblogs - not public yet

Already there are some important improvements:

member profiles
most of the features needed for basic profiles are working. Names of authors/commenters are links to their profiles in weblog views. This demo includes the display of some more advanced features using static data for display. If you fancy having a go yourself, the template names work in all the sites including the knownet site: $portal_url/Members/my-username/profile to view, $portal_url/profile_edit_form to edit your own (yes, the edit-form needs a bit of guide text and formtting - we'll be adding / changing fields so hav not settled that form yet).
reply from within blog one-entry view
there is a simple comment form directly within the one-entry blog view, with AJAXian log-in formlet for convenience.
better context in the main RSS 2 feed
discussion items in the RSS 2 feed now have a tagline pointing to the item they reply to. The node in the RSS 2 feefd now points to a usable interface (for blog entries only as of today, discussion items to follow shortly)
pretty-printing of level- comments on blog entries
this has been the case in my own elearning2.0 blog for a couple weeks... much nicer display of comments and trackbacks on blog entries in blog one-entry view
access to experimental 'blog-forum' ajaxian discussion forum view
the main banvigation links now include 'forum' which points to a new forum-view for the weblog. I'll post a lot more detail about it when it's a bit more mature, but do try clicking on the icons at the far left of rows to fetch the row's subcontents/replies, an do explore the ajaxian batching and blog-like navigation ... actually, ince there is so little demo content in those weblogs, try this link instead for blog-forums - experimental - for KNotations weblog.

Over the course of today we'll be concentrating on the blog-forum views so that we have a good permalink for discussion items, and also try to 'enliven' some of the member profile features which sre represented by static data in the NGRF demos.



Mike Malloch; 22-November-2005 05:27:43 forum (0)

Developing some ideas for authoring in Plone with live embeds from 'my content outside'

03-November-2005

[ kind=progress report , development/knotes/discussion/ ]
Have a look over in my elearning2.0 blog for (a) some further improvements towards a more usable KNotes discussion system, and (b) the initial development of some ideas and techniques about portal content development. The basic idea is to make it as easy as possible for ordinary end-users to pull live links-lists, photos, etc from their 'content outside' - their del.icio.us bookmarks, flickr photos, etc. A long blog post details one trick that works now in any CMS, giving hot examples. Comments on that blog entry are beginning to work out the design of a Plone product and a kupu plugin tool to make such functionality even easier, more powerful, and more polite to external service resources.

I've been writing in my elarning2.0 blog about some tips and ideas for creating mashed-up 'inside and outside' content:

The editors of the NGRF site have been 'getting' the power of social-bookmarking lately, and have started to assemble a useful resource at their del.icio.us account. While drafting an email to them about options for leveraging that resource within the NGRF site, it occurred to me that a very easy technique already exists for bringing 'live' links lists into discursive site content, using the javascript linkroll feature from del.icio.us itself. This post explains how to do that.

elearning2.0 | So dumb it's smart: how to embed live lists from del.icio.us tags in your own textual content

see also this comment on that post: -- Oh and by the way, regular followers of knotes development should notice that some progress has been made towards usability of the discussion system... much more to come, but I think you'll agree that the new way of displaying comments and trackbacks is at least nice-looking and straightforward.

I've been meaning to post another big blog entry about this but have no time. I've had some thoughts towards designing very simple Plone add-ons that would make this even easier for end-users, give them access to their content/tag streams from flickr, furl and other social-software services, and cache the RSS within their local portal, sparing del.icio.us bandwidth. It would also overcome the glitchiness of having javascript-based writing into the document, with round-trips from another, site during pageload. We do not have time to write these now, but I'll try to elaborate on the design as soon a I can.

Some ideas for simple plone work to make this easier, more flexible and more efficient


Mike Malloch; 03-November-2005 08:04:46 forum (0)